I think i count more than "4 at the most", the statement that these are all the same 3 players, well...
There's never been a Republican Shipping Official faction. The people from DHC you contacted were also not part of the official faction ,and they weren't even able to completely fulfill your contract. You didn't contact any of the plethora of Interspace Commerce official factions that there have been. I don't know if you just lack the awareness to understand what a player faction is compared to an indie, but as far as I can tell you seem to think anyone with a non-generic ID is a part of a player faction, which is categorically wrong.
Your faction feedback thread is a treasure trove of people bringing up genuine issues with BMF's RP and all you do is shrug it off and act as if there's no issue at all when the history of these issues being repeated shows one of two things. You either don't have enough self respect to try to improve your faction or you're so blatantly incompetent as a faction leader that this is the best you can do. If this is the best you can do then I suggest you hand off leadership to someone that's capable of stringing more than two sentences together without contradicting themself, or possibly someone actually interested in roleplaying as a BMM faction and not whatever "Border Mining Force" is, which seems to be some sort of amalgamation of a Military, Intel and Corporate ID that would be so blatantly overpowered as to make all other corporate IDs completely irrelevant.
Wrong. There was @Morigan's official faction about a decade ago.
(08-25-2024, 09:07 PM)Groshyr Wrote: ye-ye, its all a massive conspiracy and not just BMF has to finally get better
We do try, i gess every other faction gets it imediately perfect right?
I do take input If its constructive ofcourse, and shows ways solve issues and progress forword.
instead we get diminishing coments and raising more issues, usualy unrelated to the ones at discussion
And even wen we solve it, like the name thing, someone always finds a way of still making it a problem,,. "cause before was the account name and the character name and now he change it to Lord Chaos and this canot be cause the forum account is ooRP" ... like cmon... how much is enough? When is enough enough honestly?
For years and years we support the game, mine for everyone make RPs, doesnt matter if you in particular like it or not, the players usualy engage with BMF no prob, they like it and that is what matters to us.
What is it that BMF has? What special thing we have ? Tell me, i wish i knew.
All we get from some here is and always has been hate and grudge no matter what we do.
Thats why i made the thread active and have even asked some Staff for advice many times before.
I think my words were:
"Alex, what is rong with BMF? Why do some players act like we have done something bad to them?"
I cant remenber exactly but im sure was something along these lines.
Regarding the "BMF should RP BMM "
Well the admins were very clear about Official Factions not owning NPC factions and not dictating their destiny.
So RPing directly as BMM would violate this concept (i think) and then we be acused of "trying to take over BMM"
Besides this BMM is gigantic, BMF can perfectly RP other projects besides the ones NPC BMM has (i think)
BMF always whanted to leave room for the emergence of another BMM faction, this is one of the reasons we never changed name to BMM.
So although Galway Frontiers members actions were... despicable to say the least, we do need them, specialy to get Niobium for Oban station a BAF-BMF endeavour.
We do get tired of all the hate we feel around specialy wen we done so much for so long, from helping beginers to everything else.
Just a final notice:
Lord Macrae Shipyard was based off OSI project for their core 5 base.
The numbers of comodities are almost the double, OSI delivered everything within their ranks i think not sure tho.
They got their base to core 5...
BMF... well...
At the time Southampton Shipyard had been destroyed by the Galic invasion of NL,
BMF thought it might be good idea to build a shipy but wen the new BMM shipyard spawned from nothingness in Cambridge
BMF deleted the station in space and moved it to Fortitudine inRP to try and get Fortitudine upgraded but RP was poor because were just contracts and more is needed,
We still have no clue what kind of RP is expected from a Corporation, unless the desired from a Corporation is a diary with the stories of staff going about their day.
(08-25-2024, 09:56 PM)Lord Chaos Wrote: We still have no clue what kind of RP is expected from a Corporation, unless the desired from a Corporation is a diary with the stories of staff going about their day.
Typically one would expect an explanation as to why any of these deliveries are being made. If you're having Optronics delivered, what is the intended use of them, are they being used for some sort of automated system meant to help with the large berthing areas that would be required of a shipyard? If you have Robotics beign delivered, are they meant to be used to build robotic arms mounted to the gantries that are used by a shipyard for component assembly? If you're being told you don't have enough RP because all your RP is just people dropping things off on a base and being paid for it, then you need to explain why you need those things to be delivered.
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(08-25-2024, 09:00 PM)Capt.RedLegs Wrote: The sooner that you folks would just admit that you want to strip BMF of officialdom in order to award it to the Staff-owned BMM faction, the more I'd at least begrudgingly admire your belated honesty.
Just pointing it out: There can be, and in fact we have three examples of it right now, two or more OFs of the same NPC factions.
Current examples of it are:
DTR and TBH for Corsairs,
[LN], 5th and 46th (with [LN] recently losing OFdom) for Liberty Navy,
OSI, Phoenix and MFE for Zoners.
(08-25-2024, 09:00 PM)Capt.RedLegs Wrote: The sooner that you folks would just admit that you want to strip BMF of officialdom in order to award it to the Staff-owned BMM faction, the more I'd at least begrudgingly admire your belated honesty.
Just pointing it out: There can be, and in fact we have three examples of it right now, two or more OFs of the same NPC factions.
Current examples of it are:
DTR and TBH for Corsairs,
5th and 46th (with [LN] recently losing OFdom) for Liberty Navy,
OSI, Phoenix and MFE for Zoners.
(08-25-2024, 09:00 PM)Capt.RedLegs Wrote: The sooner that you folks would just admit that you want to strip BMF of officialdom in order to award it to the Staff-owned BMM faction, the more I'd at least begrudgingly admire your belated honesty.
Just pointing it out: There can be, and in fact we have three examples of it right now, two or more OFs of the same NPC factions.
Current examples of it are:
DTR and TBH for Corsairs,
5th and 46th (with [LN] recently losing OFdom) for Liberty Navy,
OSI, Phoenix and MFE for Zoners.
There is no 'slot' to be taken here.
[LN] regained officialdom several months ago actually.
(08-25-2024, 09:56 PM)Lord Chaos Wrote: We still have no clue what kind of RP is expected from a Corporation, unless the desired from a Corporation is a diary with the stories of staff going about their day.
Typically one would expect an explanation as to why any of these deliveries are being made. If you're having Optronics delivered, what is the intended use of them, are they being used for some sort of automated system meant to help with the large berthing areas that would be required of a shipyard? If you have Robotics beign delivered, are they meant to be used to build robotic arms mounted to the gantries that are used by a shipyard for component assembly? If you're being told you don't have enough RP because all your RP is just people dropping things off on a base and being paid for it, then you need to explain why you need those things to be delivered.
If one actualy reads the several steps in the Roleplay, you will see every single material presence is justifyed within the RP itself, if any parts remain unexplained, these should be present in the RP named: A New Kind of Power", in wich we even explain many things in detail.
So on one hand we did justify the usage of materials as well as its placement location as well as the "why build a shipyard" obvious question.
BMF usualy has its Rps conected or related so one thing takes to another instead of separate events spawning all over.
First we built the shippy: Lord MacRae Shipyard https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...811&page=2
Here you can find how the water purification systems actualy work in Space, details explained properly in their entirety.
Then we research the tecnology we are going to use on it Research Project and intalation trials on Isle of Skye (this is why Isle of Skye has a small shipy inRP that can only repair ships) https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...963&page=2
After we moved it, we went back to the Lord MacRae Shipyard and made some transportations of materials to atach the 2 structures to eachothers.
We went as far as even giving actual sizes and tecnical names to what we do:
You cant possibly whant us to explain in detail why we "used a screw driver to tighten screws."
Regarding the timestamps,
A shipyard construction has many phases, we tried to separate the construction of the super structure from the hardware instaled inside of the base.
"One thing is the box another is the furniture." so the player who claimed we took 6 months to build it he referred to the "box" leaving out the rest.
Regarding the "why BMF needs those materials needs to be explained"
Well this is an easy to anser one,
All materials have their usage on their own infocard, so as a Competent corporation we are not going to exlain what every single item does as we expect the workers we are adressing to know their stuff.
This is my way of saying that if you dont know what a given material does or is used for... its not your fault, after all, who are the construction experts if not the ones who actualy build stuff?
As an example:
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So i try to avoid redundancy and left out the boring stuff.
But point taken, will be more detailed on the "why" and the how things are done. edited: That Border Mining Force ID= what i remenber from IMG ID with a diferent name... i even nerfed it so it cant have BCs or BSs hehe and was also part of sarcasm...
I would also take the oportunity to recognize my mistakes, it is true i might not be the best OF Leader around, it is also true that sometimes my patience runs away from me like any one elses.
But the fact is, a lot of work was put into what we do,
One way or the other, a lot of commitment and dedication as come from BMF members.
For many many years our bases stood tall and were openly used by all players, specialy Isle and Fortitudine, we could simply have them closed like some do.
It is dis-heartening, in many ways, to see how our work and contributions, no matter how small or diferent they may be, is looked at by some menbers of the comunity.
It is very sad to see this indeed.
My idea was to get something constructive going on, have decent inputs... how naive of me...
BMF will do as it always did,
Help the beginers to start playing and roleplaying, mining, trading, crafting and turret steering, and all the things we can think of that can make them "fall in love" with Disco,
And yes i gess we will take the heat for them... when they screw up, and they surely will,
Not because we like it but because thats what the beginners do and someone has to show them the way of the rules with love instead of a stick. (at least at first hehe)
We will supply bases for the ones who cant for watever reason,
these pob owners have dedicated to a base for years, yes we are going to help bases that are open to general public to use, because its the right thing to do.
We will make RP (even if some dont like it) with whoever asks us to,
Because other players also deserve to get a shot at RP no matter if they are good or bad, they wont improve if they dont RP for sure wouldnt you agree?
We will give other factions trade routes to our instalations,
Some factions simply get fed up with always trading to the same place and want something new to do,
We sacrifyce other activities so we can have space available for materials and stuff we will never actualy use, and its ok, we like watching ships dock to our bases.
I wish to note that I have just had a decent encounter with Griswell, a BMF Hegemon in Dublin mining field.
I am not sure what you lads did about your faction but if this is the tendency it's taking - this is a turn for the better and I encourage you to keep it up.
That said, I will be watching you go more closely and hope it is not a singular occassion.
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