The RP point, imho, is that any char unless some really high in the chain of command, might not have access to all of the following information. Even iRL leaks that do happen do not include this comprehensive database as leaked because people working in the agencies are not that stupid to give access to the whole Padora's chest to a lowly officer. But on disco every officer of any navy/intel somehow has unhindered access to literally any navy/intel (and by extension governmental, somehow) project and is a d'Artanian that is omniscient and impunitive at the same time. Mind, that in iRL intel agencies there are always agents who do counterintelligence and prevent this from happening via various methods, ranging from imprisonment & stripping the ranks to a sudden and unfortunate defenestration. Luckily or unluckily, ppl on disco quite often ignore the common logic of internal control of the organisations, hence so many defecting battleships (imaging a real US carrier captain trying to defect to, say, China, and how his crew would react), and leaks.

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(07-19-2023, 05:38 AM)SnakThree Wrote: It still would suck, because there's zero counterplay. Pictures or no, this can open can of worms where anyone creates any character just to "defect" and "leak" information later on. Imagine any criminal defecting and revealing all secret locations of the bases with exact cordinates. Absolute malice that is.

In my opinion, it would be fine to reveal X station is somwhere in Y asteroid field. There's good reason why unlawful stations' precise locations are inRP not known to lawfuls and can';t be destroyed on a whim.

But, in this case, the character was in the Official Faction, right? It did spend time learning all of this. I honestly think that we need to consider the Roleplay of the situation instead of calling it BS.
Now, I agree that, if you make an indie character and go to all these places, they shouldn't be able to/shouldn't in general, spill the beans so to say. But, ignoring the fact that Roleplay SEEMS to have been made, leading up to this, dismissing it would absolutely be seen as OORP behaviour, now. If the admins retcon this, fine, that's their choice. But, I really hope they do not and I hope that other RP will come out of this, a man hunt after Nicole, telling allies and others to keep an eye out and capture them for Liberty. A lot of Roleplay can come from this, suddenly LN has a reason to regularly patrol these installations, attacking/arresting those that try to come close. Maybe even force Liberty to cover-up the situation.

In the end, I think this all will be up to the Admins and Devs.

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(07-19-2023, 05:45 AM)Serpentis Wrote: But, in this case, the character was in the Official Faction, right? It did spend time learning all of this. I honestly think that we need to consider the Roleplay of the situation instead of calling it BS.
Now, I agree that, if you make an indie character and go to all these places, they shouldn't be able to/shouldn't in general, spill the beans so to say. But, ignoring the fact that Roleplay SEEMS to have been made, leading up to this, dismissing it would absolutely be seen as OORP behaviour, now. If the admins retcon this, fine, that's their choice. But, I really hope they do not and I hope that other RP will come out of this, a man hunt after Nicole, telling allies and others to keep an eye out and capture them for Liberty. A lot of Roleplay can come from this, suddenly LN has a reason to regularly patrol these installations, attacking/arresting those that try to come close. Maybe even force Liberty to cover-up the situation.

In the end, I think this all will be up to the Admins and Devs.

But the logic of RP matters as well. Do you think a mid chain officer in, say US NSA, knows much about each project of DARPA or other research cells working on cutting edge tech for the US gov?

The admins do not have to retcon anything. This is player RP. You did not see governments of other houses react to any of this intel, or Order, or whoever. The logic behind this lack of reaction is in the lack of RP logic itself. It voids the need in other houses' intel branches. It also breaks the RP immersion wherein a single officer of a navy can whistleblow almost all secrets of a House, related to navy or not. It is not the matter of rulebreaking for sure, just a matter of taste. If people rping with this intel are fine with it - fine by me. Just don't be surprised at being ignored afterwards. Because with this level of intel Kusari KOI can also take a few screenshots and put it forth as knowing Liberty's secrets, but it won't work, right?

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There's already factions that are playing on it, some characters more than others, I saw 5th writing a hit order on Nicole and that is lovely to see. That's proper RP etiquette. Boost others RP, play along, be a good influence on others. The best thing when it comes to RP is that others play along with you, despite the RP, as long as it's not metagaming. I can't think of the term for it, but it's when one person plays off of something your characters says, making the roleplay extend and letting both parties create a story that brings fun to both.
I know that it may not be so common in this community, I felt it the last time I tried to start and RP, the other half gave no chance and ignored my RP.
Now, -if- this character doesn't have the roleplay to back this all up, then I would agree with you, but as far as I could tell they would, please correct me if I am wrong.

We're supposed to be playing a Roleplaying community, interacting with each other and having a good time, that's the whole point of roleplaying.

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I found it over the top hilarious, interacted with both posts - first one even mentioned the oorp attempt at FR5 of my char and faction for going 13-21 in a respawn event outside of house space by house lawfuls and linked comms her character definitely wouldn't have access to lol. Bit I didn't mind one bit, it was so over the top rp - what @Shimamori said was right - your choice to ignore it or play it off as conspiracy theories, nothing of substance can come out of that player RP anyways - if you say it's some nutjob making up things there's no way they can refute it. They might as well have made up fake bases and result would be the same.

(07-19-2023, 06:28 AM)Serpentis Wrote: There's already factions that are playing on it, some characters more than others, I saw 5th writing a hit order on Nicole and that is lovely to see. That's proper RP etiquette. Boost others RP, play along, be a good influence on others. The best thing when it comes to RP is that others play along with you, despite the RP, as long as it's not metagaming. I can't think of the term for it, but it's when one person plays off of something your characters says, making the roleplay extend and letting both parties create a story that brings fun to both.
I know that it may not be so common in this community, I felt it the last time I tried to start and RP, the other half gave no chance and ignored my RP.
Now, -if- this character doesn't have the roleplay to back this all up, then I would agree with you, but as far as I could tell they would, please correct me if I am wrong.

We're supposed to be playing a Roleplaying community, interacting with each other and having a good time, that's the whole point of roleplaying.

Most of the info in this is kinda useless inrp tbh. You can't reach Alaska anyway, it's too heavily guarded. There's no info on projects. There's no proper coordinates (and tbh I don't actually consider the screenshots myself). The comms are dated as hell.

But there's still interesting stuff like them supposedly still dabbling in active Nomad stuff, it might get Order a bit paranoid, opportunity for them to demand to investigate Willard in part of their ongoing Diplomacy.

Ofc people can dismiss it as crazy propaganda. How do YOU know any of this is even true?

Info changes rapidly. Jumpholes realign constantly. But there's nothing about defences of the Alaska, or that I didn't see in depth (even security can change).

(07-19-2023, 06:34 AM)Kauket Wrote: Most of the info in this is kinda useless inrp tbh. You can't reach Alaska anyway, it's too heavily guarded. There's no info on projects. There's no proper coordinates (and tbh I don't actually consider the screenshots myself). The comms are dated as hell.

But there's still interesting stuff like them supposedly still dabbling in active Nomad stuff, it might get Order a bit paranoid, opportunity for them to demand to investigate Willard in part of their ongoing Diplomacy.

Ofc people can dismiss it as crazy propaganda. How do YOU know any of this is even true?

Info changes rapidly. Jumpholes realign constantly. But there's nothing about defences of the Alaska, or that I didn't see in depth (even security can change).

I am not trying to FORCE anyone to do anything, just making that clear.
But, I agree that there are certain things that shouldn't be possible to get access to unless you are higher up in the Chain of command? If Nicole now was just a Lt or something, then I'd see this differently.

And yes, exactly, giving The Order something to RP on, that's a positive thing to come out of this.

And of course you can just ignore it, I wish people didn't, it's always fun with more RP, right? But to play it off as ramblings of a traitor to the house that is a conspiracy nut is just as a valid RP thing to play on as playing along.

I just get upset when I see people beat down on others roleplay, it's been that way for a long time when I've dropped back into the community.

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Well Willard is funny - it has been compromised in canon, insurgents cracked it and it still burns since then and is cracked (we sent Dev plan for that ™) in game. Honestly the line of make believe of what's revealed and what isn't is very blurry. The easy way insurgency was attacked and bases found out seemed like Navy employed a wizard for example.

E.g. in Gallia several high ranking Council members that were in confederacy defected to Maquis, former cops joined brigands en masse when police was abolished and made a military agency...There's many other cases of former allies defecting in canon now being on the opposite side. Almost all older hidden bases could be outed and it being somewhat reasonable - but umm, why really - the way that person did it was just hilariously over the top that it killed any intrigue - sometimes for sake of RP it's just better to be oblivious, make mistakes, remember things wrong or it becomes incredibly dull - Gallia is exhibit A, people continue to roleplay hidden bases as hidden, records lost or forgotten about.

Sure, I wouldn't really do this, but it doesn't make the RP less valid or possibly good for future RP. I can't for the life of me find the post or anything about it, but I remember back when I was in the Outcast council of Dons that we had a few leaks, which if I am not remembering wrong, lead to some really fun RP consequences. Roll with the punches.
But I do agree it's not AS fun putting it all out in the open, intrigue as you said, is more fun.
But the cat is now out of the bag, hopefully some good RP can come of it, yeah?

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Well I just shrug it off as conspiracy theories that can't be proven or acted on - if they were smart they'd e.g. focus on Willard and make a detailed story about it - it HAS been in canon attacked and compromised and half killed already - it could have been a nice little focused story that'd do the same defection/reveal RP and could even inspire people writing canon. Instead we got well - that, few people even responded to any detailed content.